How
can this die-hard Montanan who professes to love
the energy that comes from the ground in her home
state, live in Los Angeles where mountains are buildings,
trees are billboards and the closest thing we have
to a deer is Paris Hilton? I mean, c’mon…who
IS this woman? Read on, kiddies…all will be
explained.
NoHo Arts District: Your
upcoming album is entitled Red Lodge after your
favorite town in your home state of Montana. How
much of your upbringing and time spent in Montana
is reflective in your music?
Danielle Egnew: I think a
lot of my upbringing is packed into the playing
and production style of Red Lodge. It’s sort
of a melancholy album. A lot of Montana is open
and vast. I love that, but a lot of people find
the stark nature of Montana to be lonely. When you
interpret that vast space into music, it either
comes out enormously grandiose, or a bit on the
stripped-down lonely side, and that’s okay.
I grew up with my dad playing guitar, and my grandpa
played guitar, plus my mom played a huge grand piano,
a Steinway grand, that was in our living room all
growing up. I played that piano, and my dad’s
acoustic guitar, and both those types of instruments
are really showcased in Red Lodge. I would have
loved to actually use the actual instruments I grew
up playing, but I don’t think my dad is going
to part with his 1972 Gibson hollow body (laughs),
and my mom’s piano is still up in Montana.
But I did use my parent’s house in Montana
to shoot my video last summer, and I played my family
piano in the video, which was really special. I
also played my great grandfather’s mandolin
on the album, which is a 1922 Gibson A-style, and
people don’t know this, but Gibson is a Montana
company originally. Also, the Native American culture
is very prominent up in Montana, and I am part Native,
so I was using some flutes and tribal drums on certain
songs for some great textures, as well as Tibetan
bowls. It’s a gorgeous album, and it really
does sound and feel like Montana, which, as a place,
has a very distinct personality. So does the album,
for that matter.
NoHo: You relocated to Southern California five
years ago. What have you learned from living in
Los Angeles?
DE: Well that’s a loaded
question! (laughs) Don’t drink the water?
Don’t get on the 405 from 3:30 pm until 7:30pm?
I’m just kidding. Seriously, though, I’ve
learned that I really am more comfortable in rural
areas. I don’t like the impersonal nature
of big cities. They’re very lonely places
to live. Here, people seem to be much more interested
in what you can do for them, or what you can get
for them, than being your friend. That was tough
to get used to. Also, so many artists live here,
and so many people are vying for the same types
of opportunities, that I ran into a type of desperation
and jealousy in people that I thought were my friends,
that I have never encountered before, and that was
just mind-boggling. But once you put that personality
type into place, you can see them coming from a
mile away, and you just steer clear of those folks.
Montana may be vast, and that vast may be interpreted
as lonely by some, but if you’re from there,
the land itself has a personality, and you can feel
it. You never feel alone in Montana, even if you
are by yourself, because you have the ground, and
the ground has not changed for millions of years
– so it’s a very reliable friend. Whereas
in a city, the ground is covered in thick layers
of concrete, it’s dug up and poured back in,
it’s relocated, and re-touched, and buildings
are knocked down and re-built, especially in Los
Angeles, which is pretty obsessed with being the
newest and the latest in all things. Los Angeles
took come getting used to, and what I learned is
what doesn’t kill me, makes me stronger! (laughs)
No, I am completely kidding, I sound so anti-LA,
and I’m really not. I really do like it here.
The restaurants and the professional opportunities
are incredible. It’s just extremely different,
and it’s taken five years for me to get used
to the lack of nature. I’ve never lived somewhere
where nature was completely extricated from the
day to day culture. Even the trees in LA are carved
up to look like something from another planet, or
Dr. Seuss. It’s not a place that’s in
sync with the ground, like Montana is, and that
makes sense since the ground is always moving, but
it’s just different. But the beaches are gorgeous,
and if you go to the edge of the valleys, you really
get a flavor for the desert. Los Angeles has desert
energy, even though people think of beaches. And
if you can find somewhere to access that desert
vibes, the personality of the city makes a lot more
sense. I remember being on a plane coming back from
New York, and I overheard this guy talking to the
woman behind me. They were both from New York, which
of course is a city that is alive with its own personality,
and said she had never been to LA, and wanted to
know if he could describe the city. He said, “You
know, I can’t. I’ve been to Detroit,
Chicago, Dallas, Seattle, New Orleans, and they
all have a vibe. But this city doesn’t. It
doesn’t have a feel at all. It’s strange.”
And that’s the point – LA doesn’t
have a feel of its own, because it is literally
anything you want to make it. It’s on fault
lines, and it’s transient, so the ground is
too busy moving to establish a relationship with
you. So you better have a great sense of self, because
Los Angeles won’t be stable enough to give
it to you. Its major industry is the entertainment
business, which is all sets and false fronts and
doors nailed to a wall to look like there’s
a hallway there for a TV show. LA is like living
in the holodeck in Star Trek. It can be anything
you want. But it expects you to create your world
because it’s too busy being fabulous and going
with the flow!
NoHo: You live in the Valley.
What's your favorite venue in NoHo to play and what
do you love about it?
DE: I really enjoyed playing
Moonshadow in North Hollywood – it was a great
club, and a great crowd. And great bartenders, too!
NoHo: What makes a NoHo show
different from a show in a huge entertainment Mecca
like Hollywood or West Hollywood?
DE: Well, parking, for one!
(laughs) You don’t have to valet for a million
dollars, and of course, it’s just more kick-back
and relaxed. North Hollywood is so much about chilling
out, and the artsy vibe, and I like that.
NoHo: You are from a rural
upbringing and in the 90's brought your band, Pope
Jane, to national recognition from the sparsely
populated state of Montana. How do artistic communities
differ in a smaller town verses somewhere like the
NoHo Arts District?
DE: NoHo Arts District reminds
me of a smaller town, actually. Smaller towns have
a really vibey artistic community where you get
a chance to work with the same folks over and over
again, and old buildings that have been refurbished
to be used as performance spaces. NoHo Arts District
is just like that, with the old theaters and buildings.
I prefer the more neighborhood-y districts to go
be artsy in, frankly. It gives you a chance to get
to know the people you’re working on projects
with a little better, and for me, artistic projects
are a group effort, and all about the people you
are working with. Smaller town arts communities
afford you that sense of social network, and that’s
where the fun is for me.
NoHo: With DVR, Tivo, home
theatres, laptops and iPods making it easier for
the average person to have an arts community in
their living room, what, in your opinion, is it
about areas like NoHo that keep people coming out
in droves to see plays, music, comedy and fine art?
DE: Oh, I think it’s
the vibe, definitely. You feel like you are really
going out to see something special, and you feel
like you are part of supporting an arts community,
not just a big production budget, though there are
big productions that go through NoHo. And NoHo is
close to everything in the Valley, and since I live
in Sherman Oaks, it’s not the hellish hike
to Hollywood that can be such a parking and traffic
nightmare.
NoHo: You recently got signed
to Maurice the Fish Records. Was this the first
record deal you were ever offered and, if not, what
made you decide to sign with this particular company?
DE: I love my label. No,
it’s not the first deal I’ve had. When
I was 22, I had a deal with a regional Northwest
label called Whatever Wreckards, and it was awesome.
They pressed out vinyl singles for the album and
vinyl was huge up there. I decided to sign with
Maurice the Fish records because they are such an
artist-friendly label, and they are a boutique label,
so they never take on more artists to their roster
than they can properly market. Plus, Maurice the
Fish wasn’t making me chose one genre or another,
and they were completely fine with me doing a solo
project, with me doing Pope Jane or Junkie Cousin,
or ambient material – it’s a dream deal.
I could not be happier.
NoHo: Many believe that the
record industry is rapidly declining into a state
of complete and total disrepair, yet artists are
still getting signed. What are your thoughts on
the music industry as we know it now and where do
you think it's going?
DE: I think that the music
industry has gone through a lot of changes, and
there have been some growing pains while the major
industry fell in on itself and took a few years
to try and re-group. But the changes are for the
better, so I think artists get a little overly-zealous
about banging the gong of the death of the music
industry. It has changed, and it is different, but
it’s not dead, for crying out loud. In fact,
it’s been reborn, into a digital distributing
system that favors artists, and has opened the door
for a lot of smaller labels and boutique labels
that are far more artist-focused. Artists have a
much better shot at getting signed now, because
more labels can afford distribution. Artists need
to remember that even though it’s a DIY culture,
there are still artists out here getting signed.
I’m one of them! It really makes me sad when
I hear people saying that no one is getting signed
anymore. I think that attitude came from the several
years after the majors collapsed and signings were
just not happening, unless they were in-house, which
means that’s an artist someone within the
label basically creates, rather than signs. In fact,
majors are still really slow to sign people. Last
year, I think major label signings were at an all-time
low. But that doesn’t really matter, because
tons of mid-size and boutique labels have sprung
up to take the place of those old, slow, million
dollar dinosaurs that couldn’t keep up with
properly marketing their artists anyway. I mean,
fifteen years ago, a label would sign 75 artists,
and maybe two would be pushed and have hits. This
was a bad deal for the other 73 artists, who were
then basically contractually indentured to the label,
whose recorded music just literally got shoved up
on shelves in label closets and never was released,
and people lost all rights to that music. I don’t
know why anyone would miss that! I really believe
the state of our industry now is much better for
artists: the deals are more flexible, there are
more TV and film placement opportunities, and artists
need to stop being so negative about the thought
of never being signed, because there is a huge boom
in signings in independent and boutique labels that
are all up for grabs, and the deals are much, much
better. I guess if you’re someone who thinks
that a signing only counts if it’s to a huge
label, then you’re going to have a harder
time, because the majors are the ones who are barely
signing. They’re broke!
NoHo: Do you think there
will still be record labels in ten years? How about
in 20 years?
DE: Oh yeah, ten, twenty,
thirty years. Of course there will be. As long as
there is a need for someone to conduct the sale
of music, there will be record labels. The music
business won’t go by the wayside simply because
there are some format changes in how labels work.
Their agreements may be a little more progressive
with artists, and the distribution methods may change
in 30 years – I mean, heck, maybe we’ll
have holographic music that is downloaded right
into your cerebral cortex via some half-flesh, half-hardware
fire-wire port -- who knows. But I guarantee someone
will be monitoring those downloads, doing stats
on them, and counting the pennies. Labels deal in
the business of music marketing, and artist are
not always the best business people, so there will
always be someone there to provide that service,
to free artists up to do what they are best at.
That would be like saying, if medicine gets more
progressive, and we develop nanites that we shoot
into people’s bloodstreams that are automatically
programmed to seek and destroy viruses, will we
still need doctors? Of course we will.
NoHo: Some musicians believe
that terrestrial radio is the final word in radio
play while others believe that satellite, internet,
and podcasts are the wave of the future. Do you
think that it's important to get radio play even
if it’s on an independent, non-traditional
genre of radio?
DE: Oh yeah, absolutely!
The AM/FM market is really shrinking, mostly, the
FM market is shrinking, because people will always
want AM news on the radio. So many people download
podcast segments to their iPods, and internet radio
has blown up with the advent of greater bandwidth
online and bigger processors in computers. I know
people who will use their computer only for all
of their TV, music, and telephone needs. Satellite
radio is taking over terrestrial radio. I mean,
you hear musicians say that it’s not really
on the radio unless the music is spun on FM, but
that’s really silly. FM radio is a dying,
shrinking medium. People love Satellite because
there are no FCC rules that govern space, so you
can swear and talk about all kinds of stuff on Satellite
radio that you can’t say on the airwaves.
This goes for song lyrics. Satellite is huge because
people don’t have to do a “radio edit”
for songs with X-rated lyrics. We live in an exciting
time where there are so many options for artists
in broadcast media, that artists would just be thick
between the ears not to take advantage of it.
NoHo: Do you think there
will still be AM/FM in ten years? How about in 20
years?
DE: You know, I think we’ll
still have it in ten years, but I don’t know
about 20 years. I think there will be an AM emergency
news radio channel, and FM will eventually go defunct
to HiDef Satellite. AM radio waves travel faster
and further, and are a little more durable than
FM waves, plus AM/FM radio is an analog signal,
and now with the digital satellite signals, you
can actually hear that compressed “whistle”
in the FM radio signal under the music. You can
also hear an analog buzz in the AM signal. I have
always been able to hear that whistling FM signal,
and because of that the radio drives me crazy, but
when I tried to explain it to people, they didn’t
know what I was talking about until now, now that
we have something to compare it to. You know, the
powers that be are taking analog TV towers offline.
Coming, I think next year, if you have an analog
TV, you won’t be able to get a signal with
your rabbit ears anymore. Everything will be digital
and come through a cable. So the airwaves are going
to be much quieter, I think, and if you have an
analog TV and not a digital one, you have to get
some kind of converter box from the government,
because they can’t force everybody to go out
and buy a $2000.00 new digital TV. Anyway, I’m
not exactly sure how that’s all gong to work,
but I figure if they are taking analog TV signals
out of the bandwidth, then they will start weaning
themselves away from analog AM/FM signals. That’s
why artists need to stop living on this idea that
alternative radio sources aren’t as valid.
Actually, the old ones are really outdated.
NoHo: You record, engineer
and produced your own recordings. Does it ever get
exhausting wearing so many hats?
DE: I’d be a liar if
I said it didn’t. Mostly, it’s time
consuming. And sometimes, you get so worn out from
setting up the right mic placement and engineering
that by the time it comes to do the artistic part
and record, you’re sort of burnt out on the
whole thing. But, you know what type of product
you’re going to get, and you never have to
worry that someone is angling the 57 [microphone]
wrong at the guitar cabinet, creating a problem
that’s going to have to be something you fix
in the mix. I would, of course, love someone else
to engineer once in awhile, and on some of my projects,
that has been the case. That’s always nice,
believe me. But I do like to mix my own work. I
get hired as a producer for other projects, and
mixing, to me, is one of the biggest artistic contributions
that I can make to my projects. I love the sound
design involved in a mix, and to me, that’s
where a great deal of my pride in my sound is –
with the mixing of my songs. For whatever reason,
I’m lucky in that I have really good ears
for frequency separation, and that’s absolutely
invaluable in my work. What artists don’t
realize is that they could mix an entire album,
and if each track were panned an EQ’d correctly,
the album would just pop without using gobs and
gobs of effects, which muddy things up. Geez, don’t
get me going on the technique in mixing, I’ll
turn this into a really boring geek-out techie moment,
and I think I tend to drone enough as it is! (laughs)
I just really love to mix and produce.
NoHo: You are often photographed
in your own home recording studio. Is it more relaxing
to make albums from home or are you often distracted
by the comings and goings of your household?
DE: It’s both really.
Sometimes, it’s a dream job, to just wander
back into your studio in your pajamas at 3:00 am
and go for it, at any hour of the day or night.
Other times, I find it hard to make time to record
at home because I have so many other things going
on at home with film and TV, and like our interview
here today which I am really enjoying, but I really
have to block out very structured time to get back
there and get the music done. If you are going to
a third party studio, you have to get in your car
and drive there, and no one is going to bother you
about anything until your session is over. In a
studio that’s located in your home, sometimes
you absolutely have to take a phone call, or your
dog starts barking at a really wrong time when you
have the best take in the world, and the nice big
vacuum tube mice you’re using that can hear
to Mars and back picks up the dog, so you have to
toss out the take and wait for the dog to quit making
noise. Or a neighbor will do something really clunky
next door, and bang a wall on accident – we
live in a town home, so that happens sometimes.
I don’t know how many takes have been ruined
by a closet slamming next door, or one of our cats
screaming in the hall, or some stupid thing like
that. I do my best to insulate the studio, but if
you share walls with anybody, or there are any other
live people in the house while you’re recording,
that can be a challenge. With studio mics, they
are so sensitive, they hear everything. I have been
doing vocal takes and had to stop because the mic
was picking up a TV that’s two stories downstairs
in our living room. So commercial home studios that
are in your house do have their challenges, but
they really do make it convenient when you’re
having that Michelangelo moment in the middle of
the night. They just require a lot of discipline,
like any home business, I guess.
NoHo: Where do you write
songs and what is the creative process like for
you?
I write songs everywhere.
I write them on paper placemats in restaurants when
they go flowing through me. I never am at a loss
in songwriting, and I am so lucky for that. I’ve
heard of songwriters hitting dry patches, but I’ve
been fortunate in that I don’t really experience
that. I’ve written songs on bar napkins at
a bar, I’ve written them on napkins at sushi
places. I’ve written them on my bed with a
guitar, back in my studio while noodling around
on the piano, I’ve written them on coasters
at coffee shops and in cars on the back of old envelopes
I have found under the seat – wherever I can
find something to write with, and to write on, I’m
there. Usually, I get a melody line in my head with
some lyrics, and I need to get the lyrics out right
anyway. If I do that, I could not look again at
the lyrics for ten years, and upon finding them,
I would remember the melody -- it’s very weird,
like a verbal trigger or something. One time, I
was driving my Jeep, and I was playing with the
latch on the arm rest. It made this “boing”
noise, and I ended up making up this whole song
while driving down the street, using this boingy
sound as the backbeat. The whole song was inspired
and built around the tone this armrest made. That
kind of weird stuff happens to me all the time.
I have to admit, I don’t really have some
big creative process for songwriting. They [songs]
come ramming on through my mind, like a bullet going
down rapids, and I am usually diving for a pencil
or pen in order to write them down quickly enough,
before I forget them. If I don’t write the
lyrics down, I could have the next greatest hit,
but I won’t remember it later! (laughs) I
find myself piecing through horribly smeared and
crinkled pieces of paper in my pockets and in my
purse, trying to figure out which mealy piece goes
with the other, and which lyrics went to which song.
I feel like a bag lady digging through my stash
(laughs). So I guess the only methodology I have
is that I usually keep something to write with on
me. There’s always something you can find
to write on, but when that song comes bursting through,
I have to catch it on paper. And then later try
and figure out exactly what it was I had written,
because I am writing so fast, it looks like Aramaic
sometimes! (laughs) I’ve heard of writers
working and working and working a song, until they
can get it just right, but that would drive me crazy.
I’ve put a song away for awhile, and then
took it out and finished it, but I can’t re-do
a song a million times. I mean I can, if stylistically
there is supposed to be another arrangement for
some reason, like an acoustic version, but to just
keep sculpting the same song over and over, crossing
out one or two words or whatever, God, I think I’d
rather kill myself than have to re-live that creative
groundhog day, over and over again. I’ll just
write another song, rather than beat the dead horse
of the old one.
NoHo: Will you be touring
to support this album and what cities are you planning
to visit?
DE: I will be touring, and
I am not sure which cities yet, as that’s
also up to the label. But I know I’ll be hitting
the Northwest in April. I’m really looking
forward to it.
NoHo: Are there places in
the US where your fan base is stronger than others?
DE: Oh yeah. Up in the northwest,
Seattle, Montana, we have a huge fan base for Pope
Jane. That’s where we came from, and that’s
Pope Jane country up there. Also New York and the
south east – lots and lots of fans there for
my solo stuff.
NoHo: Do you prefer to tour
solo or with a band?
DE: That really does depend
on which album I am promoting, and what kind of
tour it is. I love to tour with a band, but that
can lead to logistical problems sometimes, and it
costs more money to tour with a band, but it’s
more fun than doing it by yourself. That sounds
naughty! Sometimes it’s fun to just hit the
road with your guitar. Every tour is different.
NoHo: You seem very humble
about your celebrity. It seems that many well-known
musicians use their celebrity to endorse their charity
du jour. What causes do you support and do you find
that working to better the world is an important
use of your celebrity?
DE: Yes, I think it’s
important for anyone who happens to have a position
in life that gathers them attention to stand up
for a cause of their choice. I think it’s
disgusting when celebrities have the opportunity
for so much outreach, but they are far more concerned
with themselves, and what people think of them,
and how amazing they are. Geez, it just gets old.
Do something with yourself, for crying out loud!
I support human rights issues. I’ve done a
lot of grassroots campaign work and organizing,
and I’ve worked on issue like Universal health
care, same-sex marriage, living will enforcement,
those types of things.
NoHo: Do you believe that
entertainment and politics go hand in hand or should
entertainers refrain from publicly endorsing political
candidates?
DE: I think they really do
go hand in hand, especially since so much of the
entertainment world is political, and so much of
the political world is entertainment! Oprah endorsed
Obama and I’ve stepped up and endorsed Hillary
Clinton this year. I think we’re lucky as
Democrats to have two really great frontrunners,
but after all the hype and promises and the election
TV floorshow is over, I believe the best candidate
for the job is Hillary Clinton. I think it’s
important to put your money where your mouth is.
So many celebrities are afraid that the public opinion
will sway away from them if they endorse a particular
candidate, but that’s just silly. Most of
America really does think that celebrities are complete
idiots anyway, so it’s not like everyone is
making their voting decisions on who either Oprah
or I think is a good frontrunner. It just helps
get that candidate advertising and visibility.
NoHo: Since it's an election
year, I'll ask...any aspirations for a political
career of your own?
DE: I would love one. Sometimes,
I think that I missed the boat in my aspirations
as a kid. People used to say, “I would never
be the president of the United States! I would never
want that job!” And I would think, “I
would!” (laughs) I like to rally for the betterment
of people’s lives, and I can withstand a ridiculous
amount of criticism and pressure without losing
focus of what’s important to people who are
counting on me – successfully working in entertainment
means having nerves of iron, and if you’ve
been at it for so many years it either toughens
your hide right up, or you drop dead. (laughs) I
don’t know that I would ever run for President,
but maybe congress someday, or governor of a state,
or somebody’s campaign manager? Entertainment
is so political anyway in how it works, and at the
end of the day, no one is helped out, and no social
change has been created by all the politics of getting
a project off the ground. I mean, maybe, it’s
a socially conscious film, I guess. So if you’re
going to bother will all those shifty games people
play, why not at least get in the trenches and vie
for some positive change, instead of vying for which
film role you’re getting next? That seems
like a lot of wasted bartering energy. Sometimes
I just don’t think I’m self-obsessed
enough to be in entertainment long term. I look
at the pros, like Paris Hilton, and I am such a
failure at self-absorption. I actually find myself
rather boring after awhile.
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